Open Your Mind

Hate to break it to ya Jed,..but we are all sinners,but thank God we all can be saved thru Jesus Christ..

To all , the answer is the same today as it has always been . " In the beginning was the word " I've just finished the book by Dan Brown The Lost Symbol . It is fiction . However many good points are made . One that fits here " Why so many of human kinds brilliant finest minds includeing but not limited to genius scientists .They become so obsessed studying the Bible . Trying to decipher it's true meaning ??????? Sometime writing many thousands of words about it .

Ciak the problem with reading those kind of books is people forget what is truth and what is fiction and start to fuse them together and make up their own truths. God has always had a purpose for man, When Adam sinned, he quickly set in motion the fix (Gen. 3:15)This was the sacred secrete that was slowly reveled as time went on. Just remember God never used the well educated or prominent people to work with, He always used the lowly and humble to revel his purpose too and to vindicate his name.

I thought this was open your mind --- i have just a therory not saying i am right but am open to discussion if you want to prove it wrong -- i just do not believe in majic, supernatural, supreme beings who say follow me or your eternally dammed -- I however do believe in the content and can see why some believe we all follow our path in life -- For someone that has never seen snow before it may be considered a miricle or supernatural event -- to a scientist it is symply math and physics now if a bystander has to take sides and say well is it a supernatural event god created or is it physics? i look at it as both the only way that makes sence. Since i do not know a whole lot about the composition and atmospheric temps and pressures and what actually makes it snow i would if interested research into exactly what steps are needed until the point where the scientist no longer can explain. so both sides are right ---and there is a soulution to incorporate both one path to find and we all have our own but need to keep our minds open.

Half hour to an hour a day in my mind is crazy -- and i my be inside my head to much? You want to talk about mathematics and programming and the future - the key is math and some real crazy sh**t in here. Go figure how it makes sence to only a few. Also remeber the answer is only right "FOR" the person that is asking it.

"How it only makes sence to a few" That is the crazy Sh**t in My head -- Only me and a few of my chess buddies -- Even my wife thinks i Am F***D up sometimes ok I admit it I am Sometimes.

I remember once when i was about 6 or 7 years old i was living witjh my grandparents in Madison MN -- I just spent all day Sat at the Lake cabin Mowing the 3 acre lake lot with a 20" Push mower up hill all day -- Kinda like walking to school through 3 feet of snow and 50 below zero --It was a long time ago --but anyway --- My Grandfather promissed i could could fishing when done well about an hour or 2 before sunset my grandfather was still busy in the garden so my grandmother decided to come down to the dock with me - We got down there and i baited my hook with the worms i had dug up Fri night in anticipation - I had my grandfathers cane pole with a casting reel on it - i was not real good at casting and most times i just dropped the bobber in the water and caught little panfish and the occaisonal bullhead - Well since my grandmother came down with me i figured i would try to show off and i leaned back and gave that sucker a good toss and the bobber line and hook took off - unfortunately the line backlashed in the reel tangled all to heck -- now imbarresed i proceeded to walk back off the deck up onto shore until i could get my bobber and hook then sat for 5 minutes triing to untangle the line the whole time being watched by my grandmother smirking -- i finally lost it and threw down the pole and said i am finished - My grandmother says hey what where are you going get back here and fix your pole - i says it is impossible - she looks at me and says nothing is impossible -- so in my little head i thought and said well go try to jump off a building and fly without wings then tell me that -- she looks at me and says that would be pure stupidity to try.

The point i got is that nothing is impossible and remember thinking about not wanting to be stupid -- hey if i jumped off a building holding on to a hot air balloon it would not be so stupid and i could fly without wings and she just may have been right nothing is impossible.

Needless to say we never did get the line untangled we cut it and re - strung the reel :)

minnesotaroofin Said: i just do not believe in majic, supernatural, supreme beings who say follow me or your eternally dammed -- .

God is none of those He is a LIVING GOD...who is still waitin for a relationship with whoever doesnt have one with Him..period.

"I thought this was open your mind --- i have just a therory not saying i am .........."

.......yeah, that was my intention, but you always got the radicals who will not accept any opposing point of view and don't have the smarts or vision to get beyond it. Back home we call 'em nutters. The fact's speak for themselves though. An atheist at least has an "open mind".......open to conversion if you will, whereas a beleiver does not.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3303699/We-have-broken-speed-of-light.html

oh please....

......an' there you have it.

In the end the atheist has nothing, At least a believer has hope,A proven moral compass and if he's correct will get his reward if his worship is acceptable to God.

Jed An atheist at least has an open mind.......open to conversion if you will, whereas a beleiver does not.

Thats because they have no hope,where as a believer does and knows it...but you could too...if ya had a open mind..

Kinda funny how the religion topic always turns into a fight when opposing views are presented -- I for one would like to know without a doubt what happens when i die -- I mean some solid proof like someone who has died yet is still in contact with the living if god has all the power and wants people to believe and do it convincingly he whould show his living self -- He is a living god right? that would convince me definatley -- but for know he in my mind is Life itself and is/are the rules of life that cannot be changed.

So kage i have a question or 2 i already know the answer you will give or close to it -- But how did god create man out of the dust? I mean is it possible that it started with a cell that got washed from the water or did he just say let there be man and poof the dust dirt swirled and a man magicly appeared from the dust?

Number 2 If Adam and Eve were the first 2 humans on Earth how could have life continued without insest - With all the begats and so fourth in genesis -- Would not Cain or Able have had to be with eve to bring fourth more? But when cain knew his wife she concieved Enoch - Where are the Women Coming From? -- Again if you look at 3-22 you will see man has become one of us now knows good from evil -- IMO that was Eve the first aware human other than Adam went to the Forbidden Forest and knew the man / Serpent - thus all man became aware - Why not say Adam if he was the only Man?

How did God create man out of dust same way a potter makes something out of a clump,then He breathed life into His creation,as for all the other stuff alls i can say is,God said it,I believe it,He has proven it over and over so that just settles it,and He shows Himself in everything...just open your eyes...just because its not some big magical event,i mean God doesnt need to prove Himself He's God The Omega The Creator of life..it all comes down to our Faith,all He said was BELIEVE...and who's fighting??..did i miss something?

So is there something wrong with triing to figure how a potter makes something out of a clump or in this case triing to figure out how god made us? Will your god punish us for triing to figure him out? I know he said it and you believe whole heartedly and say i do to but am still curious on how he does it is this wrong? Especially knowing and having faith if i could prove that their is a god through science for the benifit of all so there is no doubt -- is this wrong?

Like i said we are all on our own path triing to figure out the answers along the way and it is said god has them all -- I have read the bible many many time and i am telling you i cannot get more than a paragraph or two and ther are unanswered questions/statements and is what i am reading an example or an actual event or possibly a thought or feeling -- I can admit deciphering the bible is hard especially for me - i can also admit i have learned quite alot - I can say everyone that reads it can get a different answer maybee this is how it is meant to be?

Well i think Jed called you a nutter and earlier you called me stupid and us hopeless for seeing it both ways or not your way.?