Open Your Mind

I liked the article - i do belive in absolute truth right and wrong - Egg posted the 2 plus 2 good point -

I do however think that the religion part and evolution is a bit off IMO - i do believe in evolution as well as God -- my perception may not be the same as others just like everyones perception of god is different than anothers. Just like the 2 plus 2 is an absolute but percieved differently you just need to play it out far enough like egg said. How this comes to the evolution part is i believe a path had to be followed in order for us to be here today - I agree god created us but it was not like poof and here is everything god created with a snap of his fingers - Its more like god is everything he is absolute truth but there has to be a path to absolute truth not just poof. We had to evolve from something and that something was created by god and that something created by god and so on and so fourth until you play it all the way down to god how was he created? this is absolute taking all the way back to what a beginning? to gods beginning? remember ABSOLUTE all the way back. In order for this to work there can be no beginning or no end this is absolute everything always has been and always will be --- god is absolute not a being but absolute truth what makes everthing work -- How does god make it work? it is all around us you give a flower water - earth - and sun it grows you can break this down into the chemical reactions that occur and ask why ? - because this is the only way it can be otherwise there would be nothing but even then there has to be something so it has to be GOD This is absolute.

I know most think i am f'd up but no one can think far enough back and keep asking how and why and what makes sence everyone always gets stumped including me then says god did it -- and i agree -- i just need it to make sence -- I could win the lottery and i would think well you know i had a system i picked every number between 1 and 50 then figured out all the possible combinations then i played 10% of those combinations on a rotating cycle - Then i win the first cycle and i consider myself a genius then ask how did i come up with that - well it makes sence to me it is an absolute like god and everything it was meant to be and always has been.

Or like others who do not care or need it to make sence --- god snapped his fingers and it was a present from him --thank you god - There is a reason for everything

minn Practicing my hearing skills trying to hone them as I mentioned in my topic " Basics " Did I hear you say ..... You as well as I and probably most everyone experience a conflict between science and religion . Except for fundamentalists, the rift may not be as serious as it once was . Fundamentalists reject much of the scientific worldview. As for most of the rest of us we retain a belief in God as the source of ultimate meaning and purpose . Science as the means of supplying answer to our everyday problems. I believe science ,religion or a belief in either one of them as simple as you can make it — would provide a meaningful account of our existence. For what it worth

Minn,read your bible we were created in His image from dirt,He breathed life into us..the women was created from one of our ribs..read the beginning of Genesis..no evolution involved..

There are those of religious "authority" who believe the book of genesis is a myth. ..............take it for what it's worth and open your mind.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/georgepitcher/100013261/just-because-genesis-is-a-myth-doesnt-mean-its-untrue/

Ya either believe in the bible or not,ya cant have it both ways thats just stupid and wrong,thats what the jehova witnesses did wrote there own,took everything they didnt like out and called it good...stupid.My mind was open to alot of things before i accepted Him into my life,but the day i accepted Him that all changed,and He's proven it over and over..for the good,and its for everyone He has NO favorites.

If I'm hearing jedd correctly His question would be or is this , behind the curtain ? You know , In Oz when toto pulled the curtain back on the Wizard . His responce " Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain " for those keeping score........ " If God is omnipresence , all-powerful, the One true loving and compassionate God, why then is there suffering , ignorance, pain , injustice , hate in our world ? How can you answer this question ?" " i dunno " can you ? Is it necessary to answer . I would suppose that given your answer previous , it is something you know the answer to .

Kage, There It really does not matter how i come to believe - Like i said i just read into the bible a different way - my interpetation is different if something does not make sence i do not just skip it i try to analize it for it to make sence. once you accept the answer for what it is we both have the same answer what does it matter?

and on the fifth day god created man both male and female -- They did not become a LIVING SOUL until the breath of life was breathed into their nostrils.

Kinda says man was around before Adam -- Adam was just the first living soul and how would it make sence for adam and Eve to conceive a child then without having incest create more if their were no other human or man/woman?

And god created great whales and every living creature that moveth which the waters brought fourth -- Kinda says man came fourth from water i am not talking Adam here either or on the fourth day did every living creature be created -- It was not until the 5th day that god brought fourth the living creature, cattle, creeping thing, beast of the earth after their kind.

Then 26 -- lets us -- who is us? -- make man in our own image - Again WHO's OUR? Let him have dominion over every fish, fowl, cattle,creeping thing. Fails to mention every living creature - Maybee because if it were to say that we would have dominion over ourselves? Also what i see is the US and OUR Part it was only God and the whales, creatures, fish, creeping things so the US And OUR part means from all Living things that were created - This is were evolution fits in with religion in my head.

Now it does say later after the seventh day man was formed from the dust of the ground but then how was say cattle formed i would suspect from the dust of the ground as well - we could have grew out of the dust from a microscopic spec of dust which had to have been it was not just poof and we were created. But read into it all living creatures came from the waters. we are a living creature and 26 proves it otherwise it would have said differently.

I am not knocking your belief at all i respect it and it all gets us to believe in God is the answer - Just because i believe he is more than just a being he is everything and the answer to why life is and in essence life itself - their is no snapping fingers magic punishment - we reap what we sow eternally and this is because of god but not from god.

Now you saying we cannot have it both ways is completly false science will prove and has proven lots --it is our faith which some follow blindly. And that depends on the individual i prefer to see it or have it make sence, Faith is the belief which i do have in god. It was just a little harder for me to achieve.

Now for some crazy sh**t -- Is there life out there? Absolutly has to be -- but hey the bible does not mention it "heavens" is Mars part of heaven? Well it is an extension of life put it that way it is part of us like we are part of it because we are part of god and god is life -- The way i see it in order for us to have choice we need options and them options need to be real so for everything we do there is an alternative that does exist and an alternative for that and so on they are all tied together and endless chain but yet one absolute chain - So we look right somewhere at some time we looked left -- from our smallest part there is an alternative to all and that is out there -- Time and space are not absolute and are relative - there are several differnt possibilites -- our sun could be the nucleos of a cell and the planets could be electrons nuetrons - and the solar systems could tie together into a organism of some sort and so on but their is stilll one thing that ties it all together this is God - So if you go explore space you will find another me somewhere who just typed the exact opposite of what i just typed ther will also be another me who just spelled one letter different than me and there will be yet another me with different color hair and yet another with just one strand different. Everything has been and always will be in order for us to have option choice it has had to have been -- Time and space is our major stumbling block and the answer lies within yet we are not evolved enogh at this time to comprehend - yet we have been because time is relative.

In order to see something at the exact time it happens like turning on a light in a room how close to that light would you have to be? in order to see it you would have to be 0 distance from it -- now at what speed would that light have to travel for you to see it as it was created it would have to travel at an infinate speed - So 0 would have to be an infinate number but infinaty does not necessarilly have to equal zero. Therefore time and space are relative.

The contridiction of the other me's are they are not my soul they are individual souls which must exist in order for me and us too -- The other souls have to be bad some of them do in order for me to have choice so are they not contributing to the ultimate good? they are in the chain of good which is god - but there cannot be good without bad or vice versa so yes these are the temptations of evil yet of god and will be tormented always -- This is where you cannot have it both ways. Me knowing that the tormented souls even on this earth that are in evil ways are contributing to life and good somewhere some time else -- we must not judge them by doing so we judge ourselves.

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CIAK Said: If Im hearing jedd correctly His question would be or is this , behind the curtain ? You know , In Oz when toto pulled the curtain back on the Wizard . His responce Dont pay any attention to the man behind the curtain for those keeping score........ If God is omnipresence , all-powerful, the One true loving and compassionate God, why then is there suffering , ignorance, pain , injustice , hate in our world ? How can you answer this question ? i dunno can you ? Is it necessary to answer . I would suppose that given your answer previous , it is something you know the answer to .

There is pain and suffereing because the day Adam took a bite from the apple he gave satan the rite to do what he wants,we are all born sinners and there is consequenses,but the way out is thru Jesus Christ,I mean look at the evil in this world..ya think thats God??..come on,Open your eyes and mind He wants nothing but us to be free from all that,He doesnt want anyone to be condemed,but He also gave us freewill,He doesnt want robots..

Minn, Your thinking to much,some things in the bible are a mystery and always will be on this side of life,thats where trusting in the Lord is all ya gotta do,He promises He will never leave us or forsake us,just believe what it says in the bible and leave it at that God will do the rest...He promises and He dont lie..

Minn there is only you there is no other you out there in space...ya been in your head to long with thinking like that,give it a rest and just trust the Big Guy,He will show you if your truly seeking..

"There is pain and suffereing because the day Adam took a bite from the apple he gave satan the rite to do what he wants,we are all born sinners and there is consequenses,but the way out is thru Jesus Christ,I mean look at the evil in this world..ya think thats God??..come on,Open your eyes and mind He wants nothing but us to be free from all that,He doesnt want anyone to be condemed,but He also gave us freewill,He doesnt want robots.."

Where is the irony in that remark I wonder.... .........and I ain't a sinner dude. I'm just Jed