Open Your Mind

Check these out and then ask yourself seriously, is there anybody out there?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/5852123/Capturing-the-Stars-Astrophotography-by-the-Masters.html?image=1>>>

Nope!>>>

Mike, What is it that drives this universe . What is the engine? Nikola Tesla : “If you know what gravity really is you will find energy at any point in space." There is plenty out there . Now what is energy ? What drives us ? Energy http://gravitydrivenuniverse.org/Gravity-Driven-Universe.pdf The Hubble pic's great stuff.>>>

Of course something is out there. Ever watch the space shuttle hitting 16,000-17,000 miles an hour? Ever see two fighter jets accelerating and breaking the sound barrier? I have seen the launches on TV. The Jets? Yeah. They were in 'pursuit' of a reported UFO over Richmond in '67-68. I watched whatever they were chasing disappear into the night sky, straight up, after amking a course change that looked like a bank shot. No curving turn at all. Just 90+ degree change straight up. The jets at mach2 looked like they were taxiing onto the runway. Think of a Funny Car against a stock VW. Space was attained in mere seconds.>>>

But what? what to do what to do As Blake said, "He who moves the Ox to wrath will never be by woman loved." Net/net, the universe is benevolent. If I turn out to be wrong, all y'all are welcome to remind me of it later. "...Of course something is out there...." I like the simplicity of that, Frank. I didn't see the incident, but I believe you.>>>

In the summer of 1976 I was moving from Denver to Red Deer, Alberta. Woody Joad with all his belongings piled high into a Chevy Luv truck. Just past Pinedale, Wyo there're gently rolling hills with a mountain range to the East. It's in the middle of the night and I'm the only vehicle on the road. Far in the distance, I see a light. I assume it's an oncoming car with a blown-out headlight or a motorcycle. Since the terrain is rolling I see it briefly, but it never seems to get closer. Finally, I crest a hill and can see that the light isn't on the ground, but in the air. In the time it takes to get out "What th", the light shoots over the mountain range, a distance of at least 5 miles. It left behind no contrails or exhaust, whatever powered it was far superior to anything we have ever dreamed of. Don't know what it was, but it wasn't us.>>>

This just in : http://www.sciencecentric.com/news/article.php?q=09091407-new-transient-radiation-belt-discovered-at-saturn>>>

My father in law seen a UFO once on a fishin rip down't the strip mine's nearin Belmont conty.

Sirius

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All very fascinating. Yup, we have company.

Tinner, yes, the shuttle had one flight north up the east coast 10+ years ago. Sat outside waiting about 1-2 in the morning. That sucker hit the horizon and was GONE. PC>>>

.........er, Patty, that's a little more than ten plus.....more like Forty plus.....jus sayin'>>>

Jed, sorry, only lived here for 21 , definitely in the 10 arena, give or take a few. None the same, veiwing it was awesome. PC>>>

Some thing else that puts this outside the narrow minds of the evolutionist . This is an amazing universe http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/10/ibex/

Chuck, not following you. What does "narrow minds of the evolutionist" have to do with the "edge" of the solar system?

As for the "thesis" of Mr. Masters (as per your link), I read a lot of gobblygook. If that person is serious about presenting his theories, then perhaps some reference to peer-reviewed publications, or even presentation of experimental results backing up his assertions, would give a little bit more credibility. Experimentally, gravity has been seen only as attractive (not repulsive), and linked to mass. Gravity is a property of space-time, when mass is contained within that space. The expansion of space (caused by so-called "dark energy" because we don't know what it is) appears to be a property of space itself, and not related to any mass contained in that space, so linking expansion to gravity acting in a way no experiment has revealed, is nonsense. Who knows, maybe he has figured out what no other scientist has yet understood, but there are ways of showing the rest of us heathens his logic, so that we can see whether his insights have merit. That document wan't it.

Exactly prigz " nothing " I'll try to explain . Back in the day not to long ago , the prevailing theory's that passed the muster of peer-review publications were biased to prevailing theories and education . Though today other more credible ideas have come forward and are excepted as norm , were at the time of inception not excepted and the author of these theories ridiculed distaine thrown out embarrassed and called a whack job and quack . Do you know who I'm giving as an example ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_in_Collision

Velikovski's theories played well on the best-seller lists, but didn't do so well under scrutiny. No matter how wild the assertion, it will gain adherents IF it makes testable predictions, and IF experimental evidence can be collected that supports the assertion. Evidence is rarely clear-cut: it is the accumulation of data points, derived through different means and subjected to many different error analyses, that generally point the general direction of "truth". Once someone has accumulated the evidence, then a key contributor to the confidence, is the reproduction of the results by other people following similar or modified protocols.

Cold fusion was a really exciting idea, but it fell apart when the results could not be reliably reproduced.

Plate tectonics was first proposed in 1912 by Alfred Wegener, but not accepted as a solid theory until experimental proof, especially at the mid-ocean ridges, revealed that the ideas expressed in the theory were collaborated by the evidence in the field. That took technology that allowed humans to send submersibles down to the bottom of the ocean, in the mid-1960's.

The current discussions regarding global warming should also consider the Milankovitch theory of planetary cycles, but evidence supporting the theory is proving very difficult to obtain. For a long time Milankovitch was placed in the same camp as Velikovski, but there is gradual accumulation of evidence that suggests that at least some aspects of the theory are correct.

The theory that disease could be spread by infectious agents (what we now recognize as bacteria and viruses), was extremely controversial when it first started to form in the 18th and 19th centuries, and it took much experimental evidence (and development of technology such as the microscope) before it was accepted.

I do agree with you that ideas that run counter to the current orthodoxy or conventional dogma, often face hostility, resistance, and in some cases, persecution. In the end, however, it is the evidence that will determine whether the ideas expressed by the theory are full of hokum or are inspired insights.

As for the presence or absence of UFO's on this planet - I don't know. We haven't yet figured out if the speed of light is truly a barrier that cannot be overcome. If yes, then any beings visiting us must have travelled very long distances and times, and must have lifespans that are dramatically different from ours. There is a whole area of astro-biology where scientists are speculating about the forms that life can take on other planets, and understanding the possible biochemistries that could support life. There is nothing, as yet, that rules out the existence of life on other planets, and there is nothing that says that we can't be visited. However, what would be the motivations of such visitors, given the effort required to travel the vast inter-stellar distances? All human societies have some form of economics at their base. Can you think what kind of resource commitment that must be made to travel interstellar distances? If someone/something comes here, it must be for more than just seeing what's going on. But then, why the hide-and-seek? I am not smart enough to figure it out.

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