Roofer Video Gone Viral.
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Roofguy
You guys seen this roofer's video? He was just on Fox News. He has asked me to send him one of our Pmags.
His business is booming after the video - don't under estimate the gun community as a market. They are very loyal.
Chuck2
He is in the area where I grew up. My what residential roofing has become. It's a sad situation. Nothing like promoting your company in your underwear while drinking beer and whiskey to make you look good eh? :dry:
You say he was on Fox News? He might end up on it again after a customer gets angry about a warranty issue he won't attend to and uses their new AR-15 to settle the score. :laugh:
Roofguy
Yeah he went further than I'd go, but then again, nobody wants to see me with my shirt off.
Alba
Gun promotion is an act of patriotism .we just don't have enough guns in this country .the roofing business will bloom if roofing companies advertise machine guns mounted on their pick up trucks.
Roofguy
Ironically, Alba, guns won and continue to defend your right to type that. Kinda like when LEOs defend even people who hate LEOs!
It's ok though, there are enough of us who grasp that and will never give up the Second Amendment, and thus those too lazy to learn about it will still be protected by it.
Alba
Amen to guns .there can't be anything safer for the community than men shooting guns or roaming around with loaded assault rifles after they have been drinking whiskey and beer .not to mention that offering perks which are the equivalent of cash backs is border line illegal because the policy holders aren't suppose to profit from the insurance claims.
Roofguy
An awful lot of ignorance about the issue there, Alba.
1. In Texas at least, it is against the law for me to take a single tiny sip of alcohol while carrying. The amount allowed: ZERO! If I do, my license is taken away forever. 2. AR-15's are not "assault" weapons. The AR stands for Armalite Rifle, the original mfg. 3. Assault weapons are fully-automatic, AR-15's are semi-automatic exactly like most hunting rifles. To get a fully-automatic rifle s extremely difficult and prices start at around $15,000. It requiers a $200 tax stamp with a very in-depth background check by ATF and several months. It can only be done through a Class III gun dealer. I have a Federal Firearms License to buy/sell guns, and even I can't buy an automatic weapon without all the hoop. 4. A friend of mine is a very gifted attorney who has argued cases with the Supreme Court. He has told me that it is NOT insurance fraud to offer marketing incentives that are not different than what others offer. Car dealerships offer free AR's all the time. He also said it is completely legal do this, as an example:
Car dealership got paid $250,000 for hail damage to their roof. Deductible is $25,000. Roofer agrees to do the roof for the $250,000 and to buy a $50,000 car from the the dealership.
He says that, so long as the roofer's price wasn't artificial raised in order to offer the incentive, completely legal.
The bigger issue is how roofers have let the insurance industry brainwash them into thinking that deductibles are somehow magic or sacred. it is ONLY unethical to cover them because it is illegal. If you can find a legal workaround, there is nothing unethical about it. It is a construct of the insurance industry intended to hamstring roofers and enhance profits. Period!
egg
Kind of two ways that thing can be taken.
One is a humorous spoof like in all these modern action movies you see now. I can imagine how in my old drinking days I would have thought that was hilarious.
On the other hand, if the guy is truly serious, it's little boy porn. The cute little short shorts with the posing and preening, big pecs blazing gun... what comes to mind is a fourteen to sixteen year old's wet dream. Video games. Goofy stuff like that. If it aint funny then it's just dumb.
Freedom, to me, means guys like that are living happily in somebody else's neighborhood, not mine.
But I've never liked guys who strut. I find strutters repulsive and tiresome. Has little or nothing to do with the second amendment when you get right down to it.
Old School
Hey, he is playing, and it is working. I can appreciate the "commercial" for what it is: "the simpsons" humor. He is bart simpson all over again. It works, though it is stupid. we all have to get thicker skin. JMHO
Alba
1. In Texas at least, it is against the law for me to take a single tiny sip of alcohol while carrying. The amount allowed: ZERO! If I do, my license is taken away forever.
It is against the law to imbibe while carrying a weapon in Alabama too. And yet he's doing it openly on national TV , in front of the whole country and no one seems to mind ... Actually they're bragging on his business acumen...[/[/i]i]
2. AR-15s are not assault weapons. The AR stands for Armalite Rifle, the original mfg.
Thank you for clarifying that. I'm so relieved to hear that AR 15 is not an assault weapon .whiskey , beer and AR 15 , the darling of mass murderers .what could possibly go wrong with that combo? Who needs ISIS when we have drunk armed guys in our own neighborhood ready to defend our freedom.
4. A friend of mine is a very gifted attorney who has argued cases with the Supreme Court. He has told me that it is NOT insurance fraud to offer marketing incentives that are not different than what others offer. Car dealerships offer free ARs all the time. He also said it is completely legal do this, as an example:
An insurance agent told me once that it's illegal but very rarely prosecuted .
clvr83
He never said insurance, claim, or deductible in the video yet all of a sudden we are speaking of eating deductibles. We all know the score.
If he is able to give away a $600-$1,000 weapon/TV/prostitute, I'd dare say his business is doing fine without the ad. He wants more. More salesman claiming every roof they step on. More cheap subs who can't even spell retirement. More guys on the inside fighting with insurance to get more out of each claim all in the sake of "helping the customer get whats owed to them."
I have to fight insurance to get a fair shake on a lot of jobs and people who eat deductibles for a living are part of the problem. It is unethical.
Roofguy
Old School Said: Hey, he is playing, and it is working. I can appreciate the commercial for what it is: the simpsons humor. He is bart simpson all over again. It works, though it is stupid. we all have to get thicker skin. JMHO
Exactly!
He is portraying a character; I doubt he's that way in real life.
He has found and exploited an angle. It works. He likely grew his company a higher percentage this year than anyone reading this.
I disagree that it has little to do with 2A. Yes, there is a chest-bowing element to 2A supporters, but it is not artificial. We say things like Molon Labe/Come And Take It, From My Cold Dead Hands, etc. It seems silly to those outside the gun community but it is serious. Essentially their posturing means to say: I am a peace-loving man, not an, anarchist, but I understand what the next step is after nationwide gun confiscation, and I'll die to stop it if forced to. It is intended as a deterrent as much as anything. It has usefulness.
Roofguy
Thank you for clarifying that. Im so relieved to hear that AR 15 is not an assault weapon .whiskey , beer and AR 15 , the darling of mass murderers .what could possibly go wrong with that combo? Who needs ISIS when we have drunk armed guys in our own neighborhood ready to defend our freedom.
I appreciate you helping me make my point better than I did. Why would I want to be equipped inferior to the bad guy? I sleep better at night knowing that my family is protected by an AR that likely has better components than the bad guy's, and that I likely have vastly better training than he has.
Would you have me defend against him with a Red Rider with a compass in the stock and a thing which tells time?
Roofguy
clvr83 Said: He never said insurance, claim, or deductible in the video yet all of a sudden we are speaking of eating deductibles. We all know the score.If he is able to give away a $600-$1,000 weapon/TV/prostitute, Id dare say his business is doing fine without the ad. He wants more. More salesman claiming every roof they step on. More cheap subs who cant even spell retirement. More guys on the inside fighting with insurance to get more out of each claim all in the sake of helping the customer get whats owed to them.
I have to fight insurance to get a fair shake on a lot of jobs and people who eat deductibles for a living are part of the problem. It is unethical.
It is unethical because it is illegal. Period!
It us nothing more than discounting, and while you may not like discount roofers, there is noting inherently unethical about discounting. If I buy a truckload of shingles and save $10/SQR, discounting $5/SQR to win more work is not unethical. Don't assume that everyone who has a low cost business structure does poor quality.
clvr83
Eating deductibles became illegal because it costs the insurance company money for them to properly compensate a homeowner for a loss. In turn, it costs the consumer money with higher rates. It is unethical to eat deductibles. Period! Using other insurance items, such as the ACV for the gutters & window wraps isn't eating a deductible. Invoicing for work you haven't exactly done, or supplementing a claim because you need more to do a job and then giving the customer a kickback is. This kind of "discount" will make regulations get continually tighter on everybody.
I didn't say they were poor quality. I said they use cheap subs, which is an assumption I think we can all agree with. If they were in a retail market without a magical or sacred money spewing machine that pays for a few dents in a roof, I would have zero problems with their "discount." Where does the money come from for this discount? It's not because they buy shingles for $10/sq cheaper. It's because they are good at a game of manipulation.
Does this guy accept the insurances first bid without supplements? I doubt it.
Does he find legitimate damage before calling the insurance company, or does he just play the "file 10 claims and hope 3 get approved" game? Hey salesman, here's 10% for making a homeowner trust us!
Are his subs legal? Who knows.
For somebody who spews any excuse available to defend his preferred constitutional right in the name of patriotism, I'm surprised you are so complacent with a racket in your own trade which keeps illegals employed.
Roofguy
You are fixated on illegals, which is only relevant to this thread in your mind. To suggest that a roofer can't discount a roof without using illegals is silly. I'm not for discounting roof, I hate it. But I'm for freedom first.
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