Comments on the election of the donald?

Roofers of all the people should have been able to discern some of his lies, like the illegal immigration. I can't attest for the whole industry and the whole country, but from what I've seen through 4-5 companies that I've been involved with in the last 10 years , the Mexicans have already left in droves the commercial roofing and the state of Alabama, long before Mr. trump promised to build a border wall. The companies have been using E verify system and it has been impossible or very risky for them to hire people unauthorized to work in the USA. There has been a labor shortage ever since .The starting wage has jumped to $15 an hour and the only professional requirement is to have a pulse ,wake up in the morning and come to work .Many Americans can't do even that, and they complain how the Mexicans are taking their jobs .it's not like 20 Americans applied for a roofing job and the employer picked a cheaper Mexican.my company has a :refer a friend program.I get $800 if a can refer a friend who can stick around for 3 months and my friend gets $200 sign in bonus.I tried to get my unemployed white neighbor to apply for a job.He stated that :he has worked hard all his life ,he has paid his dues and is ready to take it easy for the rest of his life .he's 28 years old .

Alba, I agree wages and demand for workers have probably gone up. It seems like pricing pressure has finally eased the last 2 years in my area, finally.

I've read that Obama has deported more illegals than any RepublicanT ever did. IDK whether to believe that one....But I do think there has been a shift somewhere.

Of course with the OSHA Tax, taxes & ObamaCare, and the usual increases in red tape, regulations and the employee/ government/ lawyer ownership of my business, it all balances out..... :angry: :angry:

Alba; I have a bit different experience/take on the labor pool status. This could be expanded-on easily, but for the sake of brevity & sparing common knowledge, (so-to-speak), - I'll be short; I'll leave the blather to others.

Seems over the past three decades, through not-so-much the fault of exploitative employers hiring illegals, but our gov'ts' lack of enforcing laws, we ran-off the American worker, replacing them with the opportunistic illegal worker.

Come circa 08'; Wages had been stagnated/reversed 20yrs, things slowed down, whereby the illegals began returning home. The illegals, (IMO), where/are opportunists themselves - The misunderstood fact is that they are/where here to acquire $ - Not necessarily to assimilate as US citizens.

However, that is changing I believe, as the children of these illegals seem to want to assimilate more-so. But, they are products of the PC/libtard ed. syst. as well.

The predominant left/PC educational/media environment convinced our youth working with your hands was somehow menial & significant. So here we sit, a nation full of idiot/whiners.

Hopefully Trump will initiate real change & break the cycle.

What drove off the American workers is the drop in wages. If everything was equal, a good "roofer" should be making about $65,000.00 a year right now. since the wages have been driven down to less than half that, who can blame them? Government is where it is at now. Triple the wages and you can make all the mistakes you want. They don't produce anything and are not responsible. What a program.

Yes, the "drop in wages" in the private sector is one of the symptoms. "Prevailing wages" (Gov't jobs), have kept-up, i.e., depending on locale', a roofers' salary is aprx. $104,000/yr., whereas in the private sector it's more like $50,000/yr. A huge spread as compared to 30yrs ago.....

John you said, " Triple the wages and you can make all the mistakes you want." You just lost me there. Can you clarify?

btw, that was a good post Alba.

I've got some complicated beliefs but in deference to TomB I won't blather. But it's worth mentioning that I've never seen a Mexican panhandling and I've never seen a white boy chip in with seven or eight other buddies to rent a two-room apartment while they all work six tens at whatever they can get. I used to work six tens, sometimes more. My son works six tens, if not more. Counting family duties and gainful employment combined, my two daughters beat both of us.

Heading off-topic.....Hey, I don't put blame on the illegals - They're only doing what would be expected of most any people in like circumstances/opportunity(s).

At the risk if being called a racist - My own experiences have taught me that one doesn't typically find "Mexicans" begging for money - They're culture/pride doesn't much allow for that behavior - However, they are opportunists in the highest sense - they will exploit, (to put it mildly), without hesitation their own as well as others and they most definitely take advantage of our social services - Having the system figured out as well as the PC/left doling it out to them.

Egg, Government jobs pay way more than what we can make in the private sector, especially in the higher up jobs, and they are not responsible for what they do. They can and do screw things up for all of us that are actually producing tangible things, and they get rewarded for it. On the other hand, When we do produce, we are blamed for it, punished and then criticized for not making or doing more. The only thing better as it were would be working for the big investment banks. They pay millions to their employees, and everything they make is stolen from us. How is that fair? I say we should take most of the banks that are too big to fail and tow them and their people about 200 miles east of New York.

Yeah, I feel it. On the other hand I remember a three-month stint I put in as a GS3 file clerk for Social Security graveyard shift and having to work a second four-hour job in the daytime just to pay my bills when I was nineteen. Gotta tell ya, my grievance list doesn't stop where you did. Firemen scamming the system by running all their accumulated sick leave and comp time through the last year and retiring on a ridiculous salary based on the final year (recently made illegal here), CHP officers routinely checking out at the end of their careers with disability pensions for bad backs, everyone associated in any way with the medical profession rolling in loot, insurance companies and their employees raking it in because of what they call "the golden rule" (He who has the gold makes the rules,) attorneys and judges. And, yes, those upper-level execs in the financial industry, not to mention professional athletes and multi-national execs, and even overpaid school administrators in the bargain.

The problem with capitalism is that except for the voluntary efforts of individuals it only values ROI and ROA without regard for moral consequences (opportunism) and the problem with true communism or what TomB refers to as " PC lib-tards" (not quite the same thing as true communism) is they only value free public benefits without regard to how much effort it actually takes to provide for basic needs by producing tangible products. (opportunism)

Just so you know where I stand with all that I'll say this: I can be and I choose to be tough when I need to, but I truly pray that nothing will ever seduce me into becoming vengeful, scornful, mean-spirited, alt-right, conspiracy theory-driven, or communist. And I'll throw this in for good measure: I've known a lot of middle-of-the-road-tards as well.

You're not being racist at all tomb.I've observed that while Mexicans(well not all of them) are very sensitive to discrimination ,they are condescending and abusive toward those that are worse off ,like the Guatemalans.it turns out that the Guatemalans cross the border to enter Mexico the same way the Mexicans enter the USA and for that they're looked down on by the mexicans. But I still think that Trump was wrong to single out the Mexicans for they aren't the only undocumented immigrants in this country .Any business owner would have been sued for discrimination for saying stuff like that about Hispanic employees .He spoke in front of the whole country and was applauded ..

That's what they say twill.the cases that I know have been voluntary returns since they couldn't find work because of the enforcement of the E verify rules.The penalties for violating E-verify have been stiffened during Obama administration.I think going after the employers that hire undocumented works is more effective and less costly than to try to apprehend, detain , process ,guard,feed, hear,try , convict,appeal and transport to the border millions of people.

egg Said: But its worth mentioning that Ive never seen a Mexican panhandling and Ive never seen a white boy chip in with seven or eight other buddies to rent a two-room apartment while they all work six tens at whatever they can get. .

Being in an area where East Indian immigration was huge through the 1970's and 80's we now have large areas of Metro Vancouver that are predominantly East Indian. The original immigrants arrived and in a lot of instances lived together multi-family and paid off the mortgage and bought another home and the families divided and the process was duplicated. Once established, these families bought rental homes and their wealth increased. They did not eat out, they did not own pets, they grew their own vegetables, minimal expense on entertainment and vacations and probably minimal debt load. Their children in turn got good educations and a lot became professionals earning good incomes and began indulging in expensive homes, cars, entertainment etc and have become asset rich by inheriting their parents holdings. They then dominated whole sectors of industry such as farming, trucking, transportation and development. Now their children, in a lot of cases, have become a privileged class, managing wealth and driving fancy cars and living in multi-million dollar homes. Some are drug lords in the underworld multiplying their wealth. All this has transpired in less than 50 years. The sawmill workers and field hands of the first wave of immigration of the 70's have parlayed their wages into vast holdings of wealth with many of their children and grandchildren now owning the very businesses that their grandparents worked for. Meanwhile the average white worker has gone no where and is working for these businesses now owned by these immigrants. Yes they are Canadians and I respected the work ethic of the first comers but as things progressed, the methods employed by them in dominating whole segments of industry, I did not agree with, as it had a profound effect on the culture of the community and as a result was the basis for a lot of discrimination over the years.

egg Said: Ive never seen a white boy chip in with seven or eight other buddies to rent a two-room apartment while they all work six tens at whatever they can get.

My Dad is regularly an exception, that's why I feel he made it against all odds. He is always willing to do whatever it takes to make life better for our family. In 1983, I was 6 months old, my parents and I were sharing a three bedroom apartment with my Grandpa and two other couples. Jobs had dried up around here so they went to Dallas for a not so great paying job, but it payed. They saved up as much as they could and left with a complete disdain for Texas which stays with my Dad today :)

Great points Alba. I try to hire young motivated help, but they rarely want to show up five days a week. It's very tempting to play the subcontractor game that seems to be the norm in this business.