Mansard Problems

OS: Agreed. I have no problem defending my rates, especially if it's less than a single day job. It's nice to have a good reputation.

Lefty: Your approach no doubt works, and is normally similar to how I would do it. This time, I just had a thought...

Two important things that I didn't think to mention: The shingles pop right open, hardly a flat bar needed. The repair will go very quickly. 2nd, this is a very cutup building for a mansard, lots of windows, decks, valleys, and dormer type things. My point is that the repair is cheaper than it might have been if they were brutal to get apart, and the replacement cost would be sky high.

What brand of shingle are they clover? Or would it matter if they were not hand sealed on the mansard anyway?

I will admit......I've done very few mansard jobs. I'm aware of the installation requirements, just not a lot of personal experience. It's typical to see a few falling off wherever I go.

There's one apt. complex that gets re-roof every 6-8 years here. A lot of mansard on it. I think last time leaked severely. I saw a lot of plywood getting changed out whenever I drove by

I think they are TAMKO's, but they might be GAF.

I have worked on a few of the Elk Prestique I jobs and the sealant strip on them was the same way. Normally the Elks would seal down tight and you tore the shingles to get them apart. On the "I's" though they came apart easily and were easy to tie into. It makes a huge difference on how they are sealed.

Probably 1/3 of what I do is for T&M. Less than half of that work is done where I give the customer an hourly rate or material cost or markup %. It's more like a repeat customer calls, tells me what they need and I schedule it. If I can't make money on that job, I'm stupid.

I've had quite a few employees that have worked for me and my competitors. One thing they always take note of is, when they do a repair with me, we fix everything we see that's wrong. When they worked for others, they are specifically told to ONLY fix specific things.

One thing that I feel makes customers more trusting of T&M situations is if you have a work backlog and they have to wait a little for the work. I wouldn't trust somebody that said "I can have a crew there tomorrow", the implication would be they have nothing going on and would draw out the job.

The typical roofer is trained for production work only. That seems to be the end all and be all of roofing.

Like I said, we've found a niche and we work it pretty good. It also comes down to having the right man for the job.

I don't espouse dragging out the job, but most all of our clients want to have someone spend a little extra time up there and communicate any issues to them.

My repairman blew it last year on a job. He just went and fixed the obvious problem. WRONG! I got a call back. There are so many problems with this roof that it needs replaced. OR ........as I did, communicate the issues to the owner .

It did not cost the owner another dime, bit cost me a couple of trips back to sort it out

clvr83 Said: OS: Agreed. I have no problem defending my rates, especially if its less than a single day job. Its nice to have a good reputation.

Lefty: Your approach no doubt works, and is normally similar to how I would do it. This time, I just had a thought...

Two important things that I didnt think to mention: The shingles pop right open, hardly a flat bar needed. The repair will go very quickly. 2nd, this is a very cutup building for a mansard, lots of windows, decks, valleys, and dormer type things. My point is that the repair is cheaper than it might have been if they were brutal to get apart, and the replacement cost would be sky high.

Most mansards I see are gut up the same way. I go with my gut and experience too.

These are relatively simple to patch if one keeps a few galvie 3d or 4d nails on hand. Simply slide the laminate strip back in position, face-nail. The small head on the 3d nail holds the shingle securely without being conspicuous.