Insurance And OSHA Question

As long as I am on a roll seeking out ways to fully utilize the value of required scope of work items to the line item scenario, here is one that I have never seen applied for and compensated for.

OSHA requires either a fall arrest or eave edge toe board safety system or a safety monitor from a Competent Man, qualified via OSHA Certification.

I am not referring to steep slope or 2 story projects, but a one story which exceeds the minimum height requirement from ground to eave.

Even those walk on pitches require safety guidelines, but are never line itemed for additional compensation, because they are never requested to be implemented.

For a separate Safety Monitor, you would be able to comply with OSHA regulations and should be compensated for the additional man hours for his Certified Monitoring Skills.

Would that be a correct assumption?

Ed>>>

I'm just going to content myself with lurking. The very notion of needing a Comp. Man expense on these resi bldgs makes my teeth hurt.>>>

A Competent Man for a Safety Monitor OR Slide Guards, but neither gets done typically, but it is supposed to and IS an OSHA requirement.

So, if you HAVE To do it, shouldn't you get compensated for it?

Ed>>>

Yes Ed, you should, but that is in an ideal world, because we all know that those who don't/won't will have a lower bid............ No different than the guy I come up against on a regular basis who uses illegal labor and subsequently beats me every time.>>>

Jed,

The whole point is to find legitimate items to be able to include on the scope of work as an individual and mandatory function of the job.

I don't do a real lot of insurance work, but I like to study the typical differences that cause an adversarial relationship and then look for holes in the system to utilize ethically and legally, so that my opportunities increase legitimately, with no objection.

Since OSHA requires it, the cost of the project should be increased to account for that trained qualified party to provide the mandatory function, or for installing bottom edge toe boards on brackets.

Presently, on the described one story walk on pitch roofs, I have never seen this optimized and paid for, but it would be a likely item that could not possibly be refuted.

Ed

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In the scenario ur describing u would not need both only one or the other. The certification can be done (on line pretty easy test)with in hours. The monitor is more for flat roof with the perimeter flagged off six feet in of course.>>>

Rozziroofer Said: In the scenario ur describing u would not need both only one or the other. The certification can be done (on line pretty easy test)with in hours. The monitor is more for flat roof with the perimeter flagged off six feet in of course.

Incorrect. Read up on sub-Part M in the OSHA manual.

It is an either/or for any roof exceeding the height limit from ground to eave edge. Either a Safety Monitor, OR the Toe-Boards, (Slide Guards), along the entire eave edge perimeter where there is men working on that section, or even traveling over that section.

Sloped shingle roof or flat roof does not come into play into that restriction.

Ed>>>

Ed i must not be following you. If the roof has almost no pitch and you have it flagged off you need a monitor. R u sayin you need a fall arrest system as well as the flags and monitor ? I am sayin no its one or the other.>>>

Vaa i cant believe i am going to say this and its hard to type it but i agree. He is not to do anything but stand (with a flag) watch and speak up when someone gets close to the edge.>>>

...................wow, Mac, Mike, and Jed all in agreement.................whooda thunk it :laugh:>>>

I thought that safety monitor was an additional duty not an exclusive duty.>>>

Most contract agreements include verbage to the effect that you will complete the work as per applicable governing agencies. In any event, a court would most-likely find following OSHA requirements would be "implied",as it would be an illegal act not to. Your proposed, "line-item" "extra", is extremely weak...It would be like charging , a "line item extra), for employer FICA contrabutions for your payroll...>>>

TomB Said: Most contract agreements include verbage to the effect that you will complete the work as per applicable governing agencies. In any event, a court would most-likely find following OSHA requirements would be implied,as it would be an illegal act not to. Your proposed, line-item extra, is extremely weak...It would be like charging , a line item extra), for employer FICA contrabutions for your payroll...

Not true when you see an insurance claim writ up.

If what you say where true, then why do they have a line item for installing shingles, for re-setting pipe boot flashings, for removing X amount of layers of shingles, for replacing each individual static air vent, etc...

Every task and job requirement necessitates a separate line item description and appropriate fee to be applied.

They do account for slide guards, (Toe-Boards), specifically on Steeper Roof Slopes, so if what your line of reasoning would indicate were factual, they would not have any need to add that in to the cost of the job for the Steeper Slopes either.

Per OSHA, any eave edge above 6 feet from the ground requires additional safety procedures.

Ed>>>

Hmmm; Lemme guess.....You have "subs" that install roofs too....>>>

No, I don't, but why would that make a difference?

Your point does not make any sense though, regardless. The Contractor in charge, whether a GC or stand alone Roofing Contractor is ultimately responsible for the crew working under his direction.

The point of this thread topic is to capitalize on all available and legitimately compensated line items in the claims process.

Ed>>>

"legitimacy" is an oxymoron phrase, (lefitimate goes out the window/is only as perceived, where insurance companies are concerned), when coupled w/ins. co.s......

That's enough for me.....>>>