Why I hate roofing!

seen-it-all: I've known about that voiding the warranty for a while, but I've never actually seen it cause a problem. Interesting to hear from somebody else who has.

clvr83 Said: seen-it-all: Ive known about that voiding the warranty for a while, but Ive never actually seen it cause a problem. Interesting to hear from somebody else who has.

Many many years ago I thought I'd bring it up on a sales call. Show the lit/ reference. No one gave a shit....and I've never seen a problem either

I have seen IKO, BP and Malarkey all deny warranty claims because of the shingles buckling on wide boards. The problem where I am ( Vancouver Island) is you have about 6 months of high humidity and rain and another 6 months of reasonably dry warm weather. In the winter the boards expand with the humidity and the roofing material has to accommodate this expansion and as a result the shingles form a hump in them. Only certain boards are prone to this malady, usually wide grain wood. The lower the slope, the more potential for a leak with the water trapped behind the ridge in the shingles. "T" locks were not as bad because there was no self sealing strip.

The biggest problem I have seen with roofing over plank decking is when the nail line coincides with the gap in the planks. If you are just slapping on shingles with a coil nailer as fast as you can like most roofers around here, you are going to end up with nails that don't go into anything which will most definitely leak on these low slopes. I learned a long time ago to mark the gaps and adjust my nail line. And I staple the shingles. Nails are more likely to split the wood.

I haven't seen a problem with wide planks warping unless it is on roofs with poor ventilation and multiple layers of felt. That is why I always strip the deck clean and pull nails- and insist on increasing the ventilation. It seems that I am the only roofer in the area that does that.

But if you really want to do it right over plank decking, I strip the roof clean to the planks then install furring strips and new radiant barrier 1/2" sheathing. I actually was able to convince a couple of clients to go that route.

seen-it-all Said: The lower the slope, the more potential for a leak with the water trapped behind the ridge in the shingles.

I live in an area where there are hundreds of houses built in the 1950s with 2/12 pitches. The original roofs were tar and gravel. All were reroofed with asphalt shingles. Most have now gone with the laminate. I have seen these roofs redone every 7 or 8 years. They keep hiring the same idiots who don't know how to roof these houses. I have roofed about 40 of these houses over the years. They have all lasted their full expected warranty life and the only leaks I have experienced is from the "magical" deck nail that backs out.

The only laminate that I use is the Malarkey because it has the 2" nail area and it is beveled. And I give it only a 5 1/4" exposure instead of the regular 5 5/8".

Sole proprietorship, Corporation, LLC, which ever they are all business models. I'm a business owner just like the owners of any other company. The only difference being the size of the company.

I've had the same experience as Vaa concerning most clients. They appreciate the fact that the owner is also performing the work because "the truly skilled craftsman" is hard to find anymore these days.

It doesn't hurt having over three decades experience with the type of work that you are selling and performing. If the client's eyeballs don't roll back in their head when you give the price, then you probably under bid :laugh:

Vaa Fakaosifolau Said: ha thats a good point chuck, I often wonder if I could have got more than I estimated when they agree with no shock reaction.

Especially when they are quick to agree. I've went back to my truck in panic to check my figures, MOST of the time to find out I'm okay. There was that time that I didn't hit x2 on the roof area.

Twill: I swear that I had a reply typed out to you at some point. When I tell folks about something they've not heard, if it's a few hundred more it sells. If it's thousands more, hardly ever. Especially when that plank decking has worked for so long. I keep my mouth shut on that one now.

Similar things happened around here too Vaa, concerning the pricing. First one was the insurance companies coming out with the Exactimate computer program in order to control/reduce pricing which worked for them and still does. Next was the economy crash of 2008/2009. And if those two weren't enough, next we had some very minor and very scattered hail hit our area a couple times. Even though it wasn't really much of a storm, evidently there weren't any other storms in the US at the time because every storm chaser in America was here knocking on doors and offering free roofs. I knew that I would either have to do the same or be left behind. Both door knocking and dealing with insurance companies are my two least favorite things in life, so that is when I became a "repair specialist". I'm not getting rich but at least I get to be the good guy who solves the problems instead of the azzhole who helped to create them. lol

Hello natty, See usually insurance policies cover hail/storm damages. You seem to have bad experiences with your house roofing. One of my friends had the same incident of hail damage, and he wasn't much satisfied with the service his insurance policy provided. He hired an insurance adjuster Boca Raton to review his policy and negotiate with the insurance company to get a fair settlement.I hope you fix your roof properly this time.

Hello natty, See usually insurance policies cover hail/storm damages. You seem to have bad experiences with your house roofing. One of my friends had the same incident of hail damage, and he wasn't much satisfied with the service his insurance policy provided. He hired an insurance adjuster Boca Raton to review his policy and negotiate with the insurance company to get a fair settlement. I hope you fix your roof properly this time.

Hey natty, did you take shirly's advice and get your roof fixed properly this time? :laugh: