Snap lines ??

Old School; The quality of our roof installations have allways been unsurpassed, which has attributed to our continued success....I can't say we've never had any less than perfect work over the last thirty years, however, never has there been an instance that was of any consequence. We ran an operation of 80+ roofers in the mid-90's.

Snapping horizontal lines on a comp roof is ridiculess, (IMO), unless of course that is is only means in which one can keep straight courses....I'm sure all of you that practice such behaviors have good intentions at heart and truly desire to provide the best product you can. I wouldn't allow it on my projects. I would expect something out of a homeowner/do-it-your-selfer, but certainly not from a seasoned, professional roofer.

Sorry...just plain goofy IMO.

i snap edge line and bottom course, if it is a straight gable i just run my shingle at the top of the cut out. if there are dormers or another roof meeting it i shingle up to top and then snap a line accross to the end. as far as these crazy figures of sq in a day, i have heard of these guys for 30 yrs but never meet one yet. same with the guy that can carry 2 bundles at a time up the ladder. i work by my self so i set all the shingles the same every time. i can average 2 sq an hour on a straight loaded roof and not kill myself .

member of the 4 bundle club myself ;) We don`t use people to feed us shingles here OS,Tried it out when I helped Shinglemonkey back when,but didn`t like it,seemed the guy was good at jamming shingles into my fingertips,told him to help someone else-lol

and craftsman: there`s even a vid on youtube where a guy carries 4 up the ladder,It`s been posted on here in the past

I would like to see the 4 bundles B) In my time i did 3 but i could not get from the ladder to the roof so had to drop them on the eave also could not pick all 3 up had to have the third set on my shoulder.

As far as sqs per day i did 24sq with lines and a helper on a 70 some sq 5/12 wide open couple vents - Dried in, snapped lines, laid them 1 gun 1 helper. and that was 10 hrs with maybe 1 hr break time total.

Our other roofer test was to pick a 40ft ladder over your head and set it up alone.

Not meaning to call you a liar Roofing God but that is the most i have ever heard anyone claim to carry up a ladder and also the most i have ever heard someone could lay in a day and i have met quite a few roofers -- Maybee you are The One And Only Roofing God ;)

set up my 40 ft`er solo all the time,have carried 3 17 times in a row (ran out),done 4 up a 40 ft`er fully extended 3 times in a row,known for it around here,I`m known for it around here,Also have carried 5 sheets of 1/2" plywood up a ladder 8 times in a row,I know guys who carried shingles 1/2 a bundle at a time,I am a different type of animal,Very few do what I do as far as carrying weight up ladders,had boys come in all pumped from the gym,and think they would outdo me,didn`t happen,Old posters will know when I went to pittsburgh to help gsp?,I carried 4 so he could verify,and he did-this pic shows me with a 24" wide x 32' long scaffold pick,very few can do reps with it like I can either,here`s a pic

http://www.rooferscoffeeshop.com/show_album_photo.asp?userid=78&albumid=871&file=6485&s=5 how did you get the pics in the post copperman ? image won`t work ??

I used to try and carry a lot. I like my Pettibone forklift better. It will pick upa bunk of OSB and a pallet of shingles and hold them there all day if I like. Makes more sense to me. Thank god for equipment!

24 squares in 10 hours with a helper is 20 man hours--3.6 bundles per man hour. A good steady average. Good work! That is a sustainable pace that won't kill you. Remember the tale of the tortiouse and the Hare, slow and steady wins the race!

Musta been 4 bundles of starter shingles :P Just Messin with ya -- If i still drank i would like to sit down and have a few beers with you- You sound like most of the guys i roofed with years ago - then arm wrestle:cheer:

Like this

When you go to your album right click on picture and click copy image location. Paste in reply box. Highlight location and click image button on the left under the simile faces. after you click it click on image size and change to 500 or 600 so the picture will come out like the one I posted. Also don't right click on a thumb, do it on the full size image only LOOK MAN I CAN PEE WITH NO HANDS :blink:

Old School Said: I used to try and carry a lot. I like my Pettibone forklift better. It will pick upa bunk of OSB and a pallet of shingles and hold them there all day if I like. Makes more sense to me. Thank god for equipment!

24 squares in 10 hours with a helper is 20 man hours--3.6 bundles per man hour. A good steady average. Good work! That is a sustainable pace that wont kill you. Remember the tale of the tortiouse and the Hare, slow and steady wins the race!

Copperman,thanks for the help,and insight,seems the image eventually worked in that post,just not right away for some reason-thanks again

TRG Minnesota roofer commented about doing 24 squares with a helper in 10 hours. Not a bad days work, but nothing special. If they could average that for a whole year, it would be very good! Unless you are super efficient, you will always do better on Production-per-man-hour working by yourself. With 3-4 or 5 men on a roof, you can certainly get more done, but the production average per man will always go down.

Way back when, my Brother-in-law and myself did a small 12 square house; gable roof 4/12 pitch with 2 short valleys and only 1 story. The shingles were in the back of our pickup trucks, and he backed up to one side and me the other. We got there at exactly noon and the builder was just leaving for lunch. We set up, put on the drip edge and struck the lines and then threw up the shingles. We roofed it, cut the valleys, ridged it and cleaned up and left by 12:59 pm. before the guy got back from lunch! That had to freak him out! That was with 2 guns running and no wasted effort. It can be done, but it is meaningless unless you average it out over a longer period of time.

Back in the 70's I was a superintendant for a company that was doing track houses, we had on an average 7 to 8 tracks going at a time (100 + houses per track).

I would give each track to a 2 man crew, got 2 houses a day and great quality because they knew all the houses were theirs so they didn't need to rush.

It was funny when we first started with a new developer because I would hold my crew off until they got 20 houses ahead.

The developer would call when he had 4 or five houses ready for us asking me to get my crews started so we didn't get behind.

those calls stopped after the first round because once we started we were pushing everyone.

before I started my own business,I worked piecework with another guy named Charlie,the roofs were dried in,and shingles loaded,we would do (2) 25 sq. split levels a day with 2-3 skylights each,and about 40 ft ridge vent (metal style then),Used to have people stop to watch

Man, averaging 25 squares a day per man with two men is flying! You are a god! Too bad we tend to get old!