Roofers Success International?????

A lot of good advise here . I'll put in my two cents . First and I mean first may seem totally disconnected to the subject is essential to any success . 1. Love your family . without this you are doomed to failure. Be passionate about what you are doing . With that be transparent . I have learned this on here and other areas of the Internet . Transparency is always there whether you know it or not . Building a business is not overnight . It takes years . It should be realized and treated like a relationship . Slowly building one moment at a time with trust ,flexibility and broad shoulders . Know you are building your personal brand TCR. Remember that when you get up in the morning all through the day till you lay your head on the pillow . Just a start . Keep it real very very real . Build your community.

I'm going to Copy and Paste a quote .

"There is no such thing as a great talent without great will power." - Honore de Balzac .

It was on the refdesk site this morning as the quote of the day . For those keeping score . I emailed this to THE LOVELY MRS CIAK . She is extremely talented . She struggles with the tenacity to keep going when things get tough . When she runs into opposition to her talents she turns to me for advise and comfort . She is amazing . Best thing I ever did was marry her . 30yrs + of marriage she is thrilling and gorgeous .

The only people who make money are the ones who "teach" others how to make money.If the stuff they are preaching works they'd be doing it themselves.

We are all telling you more than we know. ALL of us certainly have made a lot of mistakes. That is human. My understanding is the RSI attempts to maximise your profits and minimize your mistakes...for a price or percentage as it were. If you are paying them money, it is a percentage and I am sure you can lower the percentage by increasing the amount of money you make. Is it worth it? I guess you would have to try it to find out.

Kyle obviously thinks so. Me, I am happy where I am growing and have been here for over 50 years now. I will not die rich, but I will be comfortable. (I am not a member of RSI, but am not against it either. No interest either way)

Kyle, glad to have you here every once in a while.

I have no idea what it costs to join the RSI, but if it pays, then I guess it is worth it. If everyone did it though, then everyone would be on the same level and we would all be back where we are at now...I think anyway. IMO, to criticize the organization without having been in it is without a basis, who knows?

I used to think I was really hot chit, but life showed me that really I am just a warmed up turd. I am finished trying to be a "big contractor", and am happy to just go out and swing a hammer and enjoy what I do without having to worry whether everything is being done right and on time etc. Heck, I started out in this life with absolutely nothing and I still have most of it left! Might just as well die happy; whenever that event is!

You sure do have a lot of companies listed there. You must be a really "big" contractor. Just kidding!

To me RSI always brings up the question I have about the infomercial guys selling getrich/realestate/internet,etc., If you're really having all that much success, why are you pushing this scam so hard?

I think the very name of Roofers Success International reeks of pretentious huckster. But even that is better than the name of their plumbing unit. "One hour plumbing" conjurs up the image of a fleet of waiting plumbers ready to serve you. When in reality it means something like they will be at their apointment within an hour.

They're somewhere on the legit scale between Roof dog across America and Dial One.

I have a couple questions For me the most important part of our business is generating quality leads. For us smaller guys say 250k - 500k a year gross we are on a limited budget i know it is easy to say spend 25k on advertisment / Marketing but that is kinda low considering the fact you dont want to keep all your eggs in one basket so it needs to spread around.

1. Considering RSI fees with a budget of 25k for the year - Do you think RSI would be able to work with and give sound Profitable advise with this limited amount? - I dont need to know how to sell for more or anything of the sort - i can close 1 out of 2-3 clients regardless for my price. I dont want any yellow page ads because their are 30+ full page ads before the 20+ half page ads Before the 10+ 1/4 Page ads that run $1000's a month to run -- I am also top on google for Minnesota roofers and countless other keywords. so the question stands would this be benificial to me and in your opinion would i see an increase in leads and the quality of leads / customers do they discuss this generating leads?

The second most important part is Hiring a good salesman and training - I have 1 good salesman but it is hard to train an old dog new tricks and at this point i most likely need a younger dog.

2. Can they give ideas on hiring where to find and how to train good salesmen do they have training classes etc...

So in conclusion i do not need to know how to sell for more --- or cut back on overhead (i run out of my home) -- or be more effiecient (i have plenty of time on my hands)-- What would be benificial is generating more leads and getting a salesman who can be trained.

Let me know Mike@Minnesotaroofing.com

I know a guy w/ the Roof Dog logo ---- he is by GSD

There is a company here that joined RSI a year or 2 ago and they now have a new logo. I think it is goofy, but they are selling the crap out of work. They were almost around a $1.5 mil company before they joined. They were selling a lot before too, but at a lower price. So they were doing "ok" before. A real soap opera tho.

Still not sure if some of their other new ideas are from RSI, stolen, gotten off the internet or after 40 yrs. in business they are finally getting a clue.

They have a large phone book ad that bashes other roofers--- real class act there.

But let me stress, except for the cartoon character, and perhaps the wrapped trucks, I do not know the extent of the RSI influence.

I think my biggest question is: Is there a truth in advertising policy in effect @ RSI w/ all these logos, banners, marketing? When this company started advertising a stamp that stated they are "drug free and drug tested", I about fell out of my chair.

Is this the old Richard Kaller organization?

Mike H Said: Is this the old Richard Kaller organization?

No Mike that is CCN--- Certified Contractors Network

I told Richard's brother I was sorry about his death. I also told him about the times he was on here and all that everyone went through during that time. He is a contractor in the Old Philadelphia BTW

The Yellow Page ad to end all Yellow Page Ads…………

ATTENTION: Homeowners! All Roofers are not alike

What you need to know before you call any roofer

1. “Talk to me please”. It’s irritating when you can’t speak with a real live person on the telephone. Some roofers use an answering machine to screen their calls. Then to make matters worse, you have to wait and hope that they call you back. At TTT Roofing our phones are staffed 24 hours a day so you can always talk to a live person. 24 Hour Emergency Service

2. Your time is money: most roofers won’t give you a real appointment time. They say “We’ll be there between 10 and 4”. So you have to waste a whole day waiting. Not any more! You get a precise “Appointment Window” when you call us. You don’t waste a lot time waiting

3. The Perpetual Motion Machine. Like the hands of a grandfather clock, a lot of roofers go “back and forth, back and forth”, making numerous trips before they have the supplies to finish even the simplest repair. This costs you extra money and frustration. We come prepared to get the job done right without a lot of trips that slow down your project.

4. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise. Everyone likes surprises right? WRONG!! The unpleasant surprise of sticker shock is what happens when you get charged “time and material” and the roofer gets paid more the longer he takes. Only at TTT Roofing do you get Straight Forward Pricing. This shows you the exact amount before the work begins so you can decide. Our roofing experts will even show you several options so you can pick the right one for you.

5. The Concrete Guarantee. Other roofers have a “concrete guarantee”- when their trucks leave your concrete driveway their guarantee expires. Not with TTT Roofing. With us, you have a 100% SATISFACTION GUARANTEE.

Tom- Is that an actual ad? It's not a bad idea.

How long ago were the Richard Kaller days on RCS? 3-4-5 years ago? I really felt bad that he was basically forced off of this forum. imho I thought that he had a lot to offer and him touting his consulting business didn't bother me at all. I think that any of these types of business can offer a lot of value if a person is ready to commit to the changes that are required. Most of us got into this trade as tradesmen. There is nothing wrong with that but often we get to a point where we need to go to another level and don't know how to do it. It would not be for everyone but it could be the answer to a lot of people. I can see the appeal. I'm sure if you asked 6 people about the RK drama you will get 6 different opinions. Mine is that he was unfairly driven off by member(s) who no longer frequent this site because he was a threat to them in some way for whatever reason. You may know who I am talking about. His posts were informative and insightful and I thought they were a valuable addition here when I compared them to what his detracters had to offer. RIP RK.

I agree about RK GAK.

Yes that is a real ad. 1st of all there is a lot of truth there. 2nd of all--- & The problem I have w/ it--- is they are guilty of as many sins as anyone else when it comes to running a screwed up business. I am sure they are much better now.

I keep editing this post as it's not my intent to slam the roofing co. What I do question about RSI is if I paid them 25G's I would expect more than advice on how to slam the roofing industry & take the low road in my advertising

It's all about perception. Not many customers dig too far into the companies that they hire. A good spiel and a low price is enough for them to believe. I have a competitor who has been around for over 25 years, does evrything under the table, pays his "subs" cash, no insurance, carries an F BBB rating , has countless unhappy customers and still stays in business.

By the way, happy birthday!

Thanks! Waiting on the cake!