pics from a job we have going

here are some pics from a job we have going...thought you might like to see them.

curb

typical valley

after setting a new A/C unit in place, we find that it doesn't fit, but I think we can make it work with some framming changes, but we have to wait on the engineering.

how do I post pics here? I was able to post a few last week and now it doesn't work.

You html tag must be case sensitive -- the img should be capitalized - i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/wildbill100/img_91931.jpg.

Nope. Did'nt work i seen your picts though

[IMG /]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/wildbill100/IMG_91892.jpg[/IMG]

The img is capitalized in the URL but not in the properties of the photo link -- Steve will have to answer

How did you see them?

Copy and paste below into your browser - notice the img is IMG -- you can right click on his posted pic then click properties then copy and paste the address and change the img to IMG capitalized

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/wildbill100/IMG_91892.jpg

thats wierd see the img at the end right before the 9182.jpg capitalize it after you paste into your browser

It seems the photobucket url is case sensitive but I adjusted my function

if you paste http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/wildbill100/img_91931.jpg in a browser it does not work

but http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/wildbill100/IMG_91931.jpg which is odd because usually urls are not case sensitive

is http://www.rooferscoffeeshop.com/images/forumusers/webmaster_steve.jpg

is http://www.rooferscoffeeshop.com/images/forumusers/WEBMASTER_STEVE.JPG

Thanks Steve...I'm glad it works now

[IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/wildbill100/IMG_0346.jpg[/IMG]

This is the start of the job, where we tore off the existing modified roof and installed a temp epdm roof. [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/wildbill100/IMG_4034.jpg[/IMG]

Vaa,

Welcome the US "keep it cheap" way of doing things. Thru-fastened metal roof systems are pretty common over here, and you're right, in time, it will leak, and that time will most likely be a lot sooner than a concealed clip system. Blame it on the guy that sold it or designed it, or the customer that said "Keep it cheap".

Vaa, These standing seam details are from the metal building industry, and they don't leak, and they have been around for quite a while.. I've been installing roofs like this since 91.

The roof panels can be totally flooded and not leak. The entire system (curbs, gutters, all flashings)has a manufacturer's 20 year no dollar limit weather tightness warranty.

One advantage over smaca details is that they can be installed on slopes down to 1/4 to 12. Another advantage is they can withstand water under pressure. Water doesn't always run downhill.

The gutter systems do not have to have expansion joints. It has a clip that allows it to move.

The only exposed screws are at the perimeters and curbs. It is a standing seam panel, with concealed clips. There is a mastic installed in the seam and then the seam is machine seamed 360 degrees, like a double lock. In the pictures, the panel has not been seamed yet.

you can see some of our roofs at our website www.johnskirksey.com

This roof cost the owner about $15/ sf with out the mechanical and elect work and I have about a 20% profit in it. I think I won the bid against 5 other contractors that were bidding on exactly the same thing.

---We do metal roofs but NEVER exposed fasteners. Our church did a big expansion (I did not work on it) and sure enough within one year it leaked. We then checked it out and some of the fasteners had become loose and leaked. ---Those screws with rubber washers will not last for the life of the roof in my opinion. I've seen those rubber washers become hard and brittle and then the screws become loose. I don't know how it happens but screws almost always become loose. Even my deck screws have backed out a small amount over 5 years. ---I don't mean to criticize anyone's work. I understand following the spec. I just don't know why this installation design exists. Lanny

Most of the problems with screws comming loose are because:

The guy that installed it stripped it out.

There is not a back-up plate of 16 or 18 ga. steel.

It is installed where there is too much stress on it.

Don't get me wrong, I like smacna details and we installed lots of roofs like that, but there are better metal roof details for certain applications.

Wildbill,

No offense meant with my prior comments. I was referring to thru fastened systems in general.

And.... with a closer look at the pictures, it reminds me of the Steelox systems we were licensed for years ago. Let it go, as metal in general just wasn't our main gig anyway. Steelox details were very good and sound like what you described.

What system is this?

What sealant do you use? Are you concerned that if the fasteners in the valley at the bottom of the panels ever allow water in, it will be sealed in?

There is something ingrained in my sub-concience that would not allow me to put fasteners in a valley. It'd be like trying to run my fingers through a table saw.