Lots of " Are you hiring ? " calls

Which question? there were like 3 major ones and 5 minor ones.>>>

quote/]twill59 Said: Heres a business model: (will it happen Chuck?)

Roof leasing by theneighborhood Ins. Co. Roofing Co. 1-800-FREE-Roof

Why own your roof anymore? Keep it separate from the rest of your house and let the Ins. Co. own your roof and rent it back to you. Make a payment along w/ your mortgage, taxes and escrow. Just add some $s onto the insurance premium.

Anything happens to the roof, call the Ins. Co. Roofing Co. to take care of it. Hail? Wind? Tree limb? Algae? Leak? One phone call does it all.

Please dont think I am mocking you CIAK, this is simply the End Game of what you are talking about. Heck lets do this w/ the whole house!! Then what do we have? It sure isnt Americans Home Ownership is it?

So the natural question, does the Ins. Industry want to own everything?

I'm absolutely sure you have never owned your roof to be exact you never have owned your house neither have I , It is just an illusion . If you don't pay your taxes get a taste of who owns your house with all it's parts , the insurance company keeps it from falling apart so the taxes etc will keep the value up incase someone defaults. The warranties are for the same reasons state mandated or not. All building codes are there to keep the resale value at a maximum . The end game has been in operation for as long as debt and government have been around . The model you drew is the new American Home Ownership . The insurance company has it's hands in almost if not everything and has for a long time.>>>

You know the funny thing is i would pay if i were not scared of being caught - I pay referral fees all the time. I consider myself honest but the problem is not everyone is and therfore it is considered a bribe.

I would prefer to just do good work and take care of the insurance companies customers at a reasonable price. But apparently this is not enough anymore.>>>

Minn One of the steps in a catastrophe is to get to the homeowners and convince them you are the guy to do the work. That is one of the big steps . Marketing to your community before during and after a storm. Sitting on your backside and complaining is a victim mentality . If you want to be a victim you will be : Let your community know you care about them and their property. When a storm hits market like crazy. You know the drill. Get out there get off the cushy I'm the only good guy and every one takes advantage of me because they know someone etc. If I ever do this I have started to formulate a plan an idea on how to cure alot of this nonsense . If I do I will need to work with people who are motivated . Get motivated . You have a huge advantage more than one use them stop crying. That is what being your own boss is all about.>>>

Minnesota as a "radical", i.e. one who is honest, pays his bills, warranties his work, pays taxes, etc etc I have stated many times if something stinks, it must be rotten. Never had any proof 'cause as stated when something stinks and is rotten, I tend not to go towards the smeel.

What CIAK talks about and promotes, is simply the death of life, honesty and integrity. Problem is, we still have to eat. EZ to say that it is the way fo the world. Harder to say how to deal with it. The German people found it was easier to just go along w/ the Nazis. But I am getting pretty broad here.

My 10 cent solution for the Ins. Cos. is if they want to cut costs, is QUIT GIVING AWAY FREE & UNNECESSARY ROOFS. Doing this (high volume produtcion) drives them into every corner of the states pushing their illegal contractors into work that does not need done. But we are talking about an industry, like most other failed industries, who can't make it without the government tit. So they keep pushing on.

I'd like to see some lawyers get a handle on this and turn the tables on these vultures and get 'em to pay for the screwin' their contractors have put on many of their policyholders houses. Maybe a new roof, Plus damages, plus lawyer fees. Might put an end to the Cartel

CHUCK... my children will be looking forward to living in a Government inspired, Insurance Co. owned High rise then? Just like Russia... Their very own Apartment!@!! You shot right past me on that one! >>>

PS- Eminent Domain aside, there are lots of folks that own their house, no mortgage payment>>>

If there is a storm and someone is having a roof put on by Twill roofing and the insurance company is paying for it . The homeowner is going to know that the insurance company paid on the contract they had with the homeowner . They will tell their friends . Their friends will look at who the insurance company was possibly buy the insurance company policy. Now if twill roofing does a good job the homeowner will say The insurance company paid to have our roof done and twill roofing did a good job . Homeowner is happy twill roofing is making money to keep his family feed and perhaps a referral . I don't know what stinks about that . Enlighten me twill .>>>

well - The storm happened last spring - i had a good year now this spring homeowners hang up on you - slam doors in your face i dont want none - while the insurance agents are calling their homeowners and telling them a storm came through and you only have 30 - 60 more days to file a claim if you have damage - we will send a guy out to take a look. All my previous customers have been done - I can go door to door all i want but their are no houses left undone for a reason. I get the calls like - I need a new roof it is hail damaged - i ask how do you know this they say well i have had several roofers tell me so - i say why are you calling us then - I looked you up and you have a good reputation - Have you call your ins Company -- they say yes they tell me i do not have damage - i say 9 out of 10 times your adjuster is probably right - well dont you guys do free inspections - no not after the storm chasers ruined it and why do you not believe the adjuster yet you believe the teenage door knocker who never even set foot on your roof? well i just need an honest opinion they say - the only time my phone rings other then web services selling.

Ciak i ask for your help - how can i get in with the insurance company / Adjusters - you are an adjuster you have plenty of contacts please hook me up - I am out doing repairs now while these chasers are still bringing in the big fish through the agents/adjusters in their pocket.>>>

Looks like the adjusters may have some competition from roofers as well this program requires you to take a online trining inspections test / program then you will be certified through them to do inspections - i believe the pay is like 130 per inspection.

If Globe Markets their middleman strategy right - They may land a Allstate - or American Family according to some. GAF is already promoting them.

http://gripinspections.com/>>>

Minnesota As I have been hollering from the roof top ;) :laugh: insurance money is going to be the future of this industry for awhile. Globe understands this so do the Manufactures . I cannot hook you up with adjusters . There is a conflict of interest when I am out in the field . The liability issues associated with recommend this contractor or that is very much discouraged and should be obvious as to why . When I'm not working I am constantly text and conversing with inside outside adjuster from all levels in this industry . They are not the enemy . I have my finger on the pulse .>>>

"Enlighten me twill ." Last try

Most people (policyholders) are under the assumption that a local company, that will provide long term, after the sale service will be taking the Ins. CO. money and be doing the job. This is the major lie that In.s Co is promoting...... don't blame the contractors Chuck, as this is NOT one of your dirty little secrets. We know, Ins. Co.s know, etc. All know but the unsuspecting public.

Anyway, I am sure someday, hopefully some lawyer can get a handle on this, connect the dots and slam you all to Holy Hell and back. After all the lawyers are Just Like The Ins. Cos. and their hoes,..... follow the money BABY!!!!!!!!! :laugh:>>>

And BTW, you're welcome Chuck as I have answered your questions. Having you in a conversation is like talking to a floor lamp or a doorstop that asks questions.

It is hard for me to see how you compare greed, money grubbing and convenient ignorance with any kind of thinking or new ideas.

You are riding the gravy train, I understand that. Good for you. The Gravy Train is sad, un apologetic and has no scruples. Been that way for a long time. Does not matter which gravy train. There does not seem to be anymore to this conversation.

Let's get back to the original topic>>>

Assumptions are the responsibility of the local contractor to verify or deny. It makes an ass out of you . If you don't bring it to light in your neighborhood stick your finger in your eye . I guess what I don't understand is all the bellying aching and whinging . All from guys who proclaim to be experts and business owners. It wasn't the last time I will continue to proclaim what I see going on and if you can glean anything from it fine. I have a lot of good and timely information . I can't take the wax out of your ears only you can . Continue to wait for lawyers and who ever to take the bull by the horn for ya. That is so pathetic . Sorry twill it just is so lame sounding. Be proactive man. It is difficult moving out of your comfort zone . Even if it is uncomfortable . There is a huge market out there get the binky out of your mouth turn the dinosaur be lean and mean how else can I say it ???????????????>>>

Well Chuck, you are getting to closer to be able to answer a question. Close. Still haven't tho. I've got no problem finding fault in my business model. Dishonesty however, is not in the model. For anyone Lurking:

Anyway, there seems to be several ways to run Ye Olde Roofing Business.

The 2 conflicting ways that I see it: Market the traditional way, to the local populace.

Deal directly w/ the Ins., Cos. and canvas to the local populace when you hit town. An option there is also to lease the phone # & storefront of a local contractor. Instant credibility. (I don't know how the contracts are carried out in this arrangement however.) Then leave town and do it again.

Back to CHUCK:

If I leased my business to these Stormers for 4-6 months or so, and ran the contracts thru my company (if this is the way it is done) then the checks would be deposited into My business acc't right?>>>

twill59 Said: And BTW, youre welcome Chuck as I have answered your questions. Having you in a conversation is like talking to a floor lamp or a doorstop that asks questions.

It is hard for me to see how you compare greed, money grubbing and convenient ignorance with any kind of thinking or new ideas.

You are riding the gravy train, I understand that. Good for you. The Gravy Train is sad, un apologetic and has no scruples. Been that way for a long time. Does not matter which gravy train. There does not seem to be anymore to this conversation.

Lets get back to the original topic

Glad to see others are seeing through this guy. He knows nothing about our business or he'd still be in it. His kid got him the gravy job because the old lady was tired of seeing him hanging around the house doing absolutely nothing. Anyone with a bible thumper background is totally worthless........to anyone.

JET>>>